ChromeCat
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Post by ChromeCat on Sept 22, 2003 9:37:31 GMT -5
Hmmm... I didn't know that "Rm2k(3)" was illegal? That is sort of creepy.. What if they do something like start dropping serious viruses on rm2k material, songs, mp3's and other neat software?
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BlackMage
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Post by BlackMage on Sept 22, 2003 9:44:15 GMT -5
You two are completely avoiding the actual issue. RM2k and RM2k3 are both illegal to download in their current state. That is, as long as they are both commercial products, you have to buy them to be legal. THERE ARE NO EXCUSES OR RATIONALISATIONS. None at all. I would have enjoyed it if Enterbrain had released RM2k3 here. But they didn't. Just because it gets hacked and translated by somebody, DOES NOT MAKE IT LEGAL. Oh and BMZ. That's called rationalising. It's basically when your mind knows when it does something wrong and makes excuses to "why that wasn't so wrong". Take psychology some day. Blackmage: BMZ has on more than one occasion said RM2k and RM2k3 are legal to download without purchasing them. I guess RM2K is legal to download since Don Miguel made it in Russia and in Russia they have some crazy law where you can translate a game that the country is not willing to translate for them and put it on the internet for distrubution without any conseqeunces.
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Post by Busterman Zero on Sept 22, 2003 9:45:32 GMT -5
They laugh at us for downloading them in the first place. RM2k itself sometimes carries a virus that is similar to the Win32 virus that was in the first version of LS3.
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WIP
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Post by WIP on Sept 22, 2003 12:56:47 GMT -5
You are half correct, Blackmage. Donny boy could legally hack the program in Russia. Him doing that was fine. You downloading it, on the other hand, wasn't.
It is still illegal no matter what you think of. Enterbrain was offering a "service" and you got it for free when it usually demands a price. That is theft. Stealing. Whatever you want to call it.
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Post by Busterman Zero on Sept 22, 2003 18:49:12 GMT -5
It is still illegal no matter what you think of. Enterbrain was offering a "service" and you got it for free when it usually demands a price. That is theft. Stealing. Whatever you want to call it. In your country it is. My point is it's not for me thatnks to my ability to understand canadian laws. Hey, from now one if I hear someone discriminate against homosexal people I can get them sent to jail for five years. My country is cool. Trust me, I'm not guilty under Canada's laws, but I am under the United States' laws. Good thing they don't apply to me.
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BlackMage
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Post by BlackMage on Sept 22, 2003 19:07:13 GMT -5
Ya, Canadiens rule! Too bad everything is F***ED UP because of Campbell here, stupid liberals who get caught drunk...
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WIP
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Post by WIP on Sept 23, 2003 0:26:58 GMT -5
Is that so, BMZ? I'd like you to point out to me where in Canadian copyright law it states you can steal goods.
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Post by Busterman Zero on Sept 23, 2003 8:55:54 GMT -5
Is that so, BMZ? I'd like you to point out to me where in Canadian copyright law it states you can steal goods. It says, not in these exact words, but I don't wanna dig up the article for some petty arguement, that illegally translated (or subtitled) programs, etc. aquired are not the guilty parties, as they may not know better or they are aquiring something they cannot aquire in a store anywhere, only the dealer will face jail time. Now, there's a chance they'll treat this like the minor amounts of pot and fine me, but even then it doesn't happen much. The local server scanners must have found the program on my computer long ago, but they haven't done anything about it.
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WIP
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Post by WIP on Sept 23, 2003 20:23:43 GMT -5
Alright then. You just have just proven you are breaking the law. How?
1) You know it is illegal, so there goes "not knowing any better".
2) You can buy RM2k and RM2k3, so there goes "not being able to acquire it".
All and all, you have absolutely no excuse. Just admit your crime.
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BlackMage
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Post by BlackMage on Sept 23, 2003 20:25:22 GMT -5
Alright then. You just have just proven you are breaking the law. How? 1) You know it is illegal, so there goes "not knowing any better". 2) You can buy RM2k and RM2k3, so there goes "not being able to acquire it". All and all, you have absolutely no excuse. Just admit your crime. The Canadian charter states that if you cannot get it anywhere in CANADA. It doesn't matter if you can get it in Japan or else it would be pointless.
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Post by Busterman Zero on Sept 23, 2003 21:55:57 GMT -5
Alright then. You just have just proven you are breaking the law. How? 1) You know it is illegal, so there goes "not knowing any better". 2) You can buy RM2k and RM2k3, so there goes "not being able to acquire it". All and all, you have absolutely no excuse. Just admit your crime. Except your points are wrong, and it's not a crime. Dude, I ran it by my friend on the police force. He said it's like owning bullets without a gun. Makes you look suspicious, but without the gun there's no real point in arresting someone.
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WIP
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Post by WIP on Sept 23, 2003 23:24:58 GMT -5
Okay then. Let's imagine this.
You just came home from India. You come back with a necklace made of 100% pure ivory. The only one ever made.
I break into your house and steal it. I am protected by your laws, because that necklace isn't for sale within Canadian borders. Sucks to be you!
[Addendum] Where in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms states that it controls international copyright laws? I'm pretty sure it doesn't include "freedom to steal foreign goods".
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BlackMage
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Post by BlackMage on Sept 23, 2003 23:35:33 GMT -5
This argument is pointless, this topic should be locked.
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Post by ObviousDelirium on Sept 24, 2003 15:34:32 GMT -5
You took it the wrong way WIP.
If something isn't available here but is distributed illegally,then the one who get it won't get troubles,while the one distributing it will have troubles.
But it's still an illegal object/program or whatever it is even if you don't distribute it,you just won't get any problems.
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WIP
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Post by WIP on Sept 25, 2003 20:59:03 GMT -5
That's not the f**king point. The point is that it's illegal. So because I go and rape your mother and then stab your sister 50 times in the face and don't get caught for it, means it's okay? I can spit out examples like this all day to point out your ignorance and hypocrisy.
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