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Post by Sanovarak on Feb 2, 2003 11:09:54 GMT -5
That's the spirit Danel!
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Post by Cereal Hunter on Feb 2, 2003 11:16:05 GMT -5
Ouch.
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Post by The~Inquisitor on Feb 2, 2003 11:20:07 GMT -5
I'm so gutted that a stranger doesn't feel for my death. lol.
Right. Ok people, just make a note of this. I don't see anywhere in that MSN conversation where I laughed at the death of those people. I might have said "lol" in the conversation, but to unrelated comments or the lack of variety in Danel's arguement.
Strange hmmmm...I seem to have done more and more in that MSN conversation each minute...
Next, I assume, a post will appear in that MSN convo quote by "me" about me wanting to dance on their graves or someTHING (Note the THING, that is not a ONE).
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Post by TheNeanderthal on Feb 2, 2003 11:27:33 GMT -5
"So what if they died? (smilie, )" "I don't care about those ppl, nor do I care for space travel"
You don't care about these people because YOU DON'T LIKE SPACE TRAVEL!?
I can't take this anymore... you make me sick, you arrogant fool.
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Post by PaulC on Feb 2, 2003 11:29:33 GMT -5
This is getting a bit old. No one is making convincing arguments at this point, just throwing insults around.
I think we've reached the point where we "agree to disagree" and just SHUT UP ABOUT IT ALREADY. I don't agree with ThyInquisitor, but you can only go on for so long about this sort of thing. Either you feel sorry for them or you don't, and yelling at each other isn't going to change that. If you want to talk about the incident, feel free to continue posting in this thread. But one more post about this childish little squabble and I'm closing it.
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Post by TheNeanderthal on Feb 2, 2003 11:34:23 GMT -5
I'll just leave him alone, and I hope he'll leave me alone aswell.
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Post by The~Inquisitor on Feb 2, 2003 11:38:18 GMT -5
Don't close it. I won't post in this topic no more seems I said earlier that I respect the other peoples opinions, however, when people constantly whine at me about it, I just got a tad irritated.
I'll leave this topic so that people can express their feelings without light-flaming me.
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Post by TheNeanderthal on Feb 2, 2003 11:41:00 GMT -5
Whine? Well, you're the one who brought this on yourself. You said it was you.
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Post by SleepyTemplar on Feb 2, 2003 12:42:52 GMT -5
I really don't understand what is going on. People react to situations differently, and because either side here hasn't committed some immoral act in their response, what's wrong with their subjective position? I can understand the sympathy in regards to such a tragic event, given that my response is based off of a connecting that for myself to die of no fault of my own is something I do not wish, and therefore apply it to this event, as well as the experience of losing a family member, and thus am aware of how the relatives of the astronauts likely feel. However, although I think it a sad event, I do not waste time grieving. You might think myself heartless on the matter, but as no amount of sadness over the matter will alter it, there is little point to indulging in such. If others, however, wish to do so, that's their perogative. I don't say to them that I think they are wasting their time because that is a reaction they see fit in regards to the situation. That I do not share this reaction doesn't make me any less of a human than yourselves.
Kremzy and Danel extol the "virtue" of such a response, yet the lack of consistency amongst themselves is amazing. Thousands die every day. We have no interest or concern for the vast majority of these people. Pick up the obituary page, and you'll feel next to nothing for these people that you've never known. Is this a heartless reaction? Unless Kremzy and Danel are of the mind that some humans are of higher worth than others that they should feel sympathy for these fellows instead of every other person who dies, then by their own standard they are heartless hypocrites. Where does one draw the line as to where apathy on the matter equals heartlessness, or the number of deceased we express sympathy to makes us human?
Do I personally agree with Inquisitor entirely? Not at all. His apathy, and expressing of apathy when asked his opinion is his own personal opinion. You might not like that, but "heartlessness" only applied, in my opinion, if Inquisitor were to act in an objectively immoral manner, which he hasn't done.
Oh, and whoever mentioned hell, there's no evidence for it. That you would wish eternal torture upon something says a lot about your character, and that "heartlessness" more accurately describes you.
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Post by TheNeanderthal on Feb 2, 2003 12:51:57 GMT -5
Okay, you obviously don't read our posts, SleepyTemplar. Ok, he may not feel sadness for those people, but why laughing!? I'm sick of quoting. Adding to that, I tried to talk with him about those people, and he starts making jokes about death and hell. Isn't that heartlessness?
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Post by Magi on Feb 2, 2003 13:03:02 GMT -5
Ugh, here you guys all go again. Keeping on with this senseless arguing. So what if he said this heartless stuff. It's not like it's going to end the world. If you people were really acting any better than inquis, you would have learned to out this behind you days ago. So, let's agree to disagree and put this thread in the past. If you can't settle this like mature responsible people and instead settle this like 5 year olds, than I agree that this topic should be closed. End of subject.
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Post by SleepyTemplar on Feb 2, 2003 13:15:56 GMT -5
I have read every post on the topic, Danel. Apparently you didn't read my post, because you failed to address some of the questions I asked. Where do you draw the line as to what constitutes heartlessness and being human? Is this objective? Condemnations based upon subjectivism don't care much weight. In addition, do you believe some humans are of higher worth than others? If not, how to you resolve the hypocrisy of your own apathy towards the thousands who die every day?
I did not see any explicit laughing on Inquisitor's part, and the joke of hell is completely unrelated (hell has nothing to do with the explosion). That you would wish eternal torture on someone suggests that it is you who is heartless.
I don't agree with Inquisitor's opinion. However, I *DO* respect his right to hold and express his opinion, as much as I respect your right to hold and express yours.
MAGIKOOPA:
Actually, I presented some questions that I'd like to see answered, because they lead to some interesting issues of human worth and emotions. Perhaps you might take a stab at them?
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Post by TheNeanderthal on Feb 2, 2003 13:33:30 GMT -5
Ok SleepyTemplar. I can argue with anyone but you. Let's just not make this a fight between us two, okay? I'd put a smiley, but I can't because I'm thinking of that.
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Post by Lunar on Feb 2, 2003 13:43:25 GMT -5
SleepyTemplar, a lot of things you said in your post are true. Human mortality is very fragile, and some people take different views on this. Inquisitor takes it as a part of life, all who live must die. The way the astronauts died is a shame, but it is a fact of life. I know this first-hand, as a good friend of mine died not too long ago, caused by a heart problem nobody knew about. If you linger too long on somebody's death, you end up screwing your own life by trying to reject human mortality. Kremzy and Danel are not crying over this, they are just trying to respect this balance of life and death and believe that Inquisitor lack of respect is selfish and ignorant. In the end, nobody can be right or wrong in this thread. As long as people are really saying what they believe in their hearts they are being true to their lives. To take away this mentality means to take away an aspect of humanity.
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Post by SleepyTemplar on Feb 2, 2003 13:59:12 GMT -5
DANEL:
I don't recall having a fight with you. Rather, I'm not seeing what you're pointing out.
However, I have asked questions for you, and you've yet to answer them. As I'm interested in answers, perhaps you might address them?
Where do you draw the line as to what constitutes heartlessness and being human? Is this objective? In addition, do you believe some humans are of higher worth than others? If not, how to you resolve the problem of your own apathy towards the thousands who die every day?
LUNAR:
I understand completely. However, I didn't say Danel and Kremzy were crying. I said "grieving".
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