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Post by JohanKeilmer on Aug 29, 2003 7:04:39 GMT -5
I post this thread to speak about the issue about LS Fan Games. I will also speak in favor of creating them, beings that I'm making one myself. If you think about it carefully and ask yourself "What exactly is wrong with LS Fan Games?"... Can you really come by a legitimate and decent answer so as to hide the fact that most of you are just complaining for nothing? It's a game that just so happens to be based on the LS world... So what? Kamau may be buckling down under a plethora of e-mails that are asking to create Fan Games, but that's his problem (Or it might not even be a problem, who knows?). Kamau seems to be fine with LS Fan Games, and who can blame him? I only wish that I could make such a fantastic series where others would want to make such a contribution. Truthfully, I think that it adds to the fact that making the game was worth while. So for those that say there are too many LS Fan games, how about explaining yourselves instead of condemning the creation of them for no reason. The only one who should have a say in it is Kamau himself. Mind you all that I'm not speaking out of anger, I just found it ridiculous that people are complaining about this. I mean... How many GOOD games are out there, really? Probably several, but different people like different things, and so you might only end up liking a small percentage of what's out there... With LS Fan Games, you've nothing to worry about, because it's based on a beloved series which most of you have played and liked. So the option of creating fan games only multiplies the production of games altogether.
Heads up for my LS Fan Game which will come out with a demo soon - LS2 Gaiden: Quest for Vengeance
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Post by The~Inquisitor on Aug 29, 2003 7:58:19 GMT -5
You make good points there about "I think that it adds to the fact that making the game was worth while". This is true. It is also true that Kamau is the only person who should have a say in it. However, people are here MAINLY because they are fans of the LS series. The people making fan-games at the moment are people we hardly know or we do know that they are amateurs at making RM2K projects.
If the projects ARE completed and turn out to be utter shash then they may put people off playing Kamau's LS games. Fans of the saga would not like to see the LS name go down the drain because of a few inexperienced RM2K users trying to create fan games. It works in the same way as people who try to make FF Fan games. These fan games will ruin the name of FF and ALSO ruin the chances of people downloaded stupidly named games such as FF:CW and FF:EN which have nothing to do with final fantasy.
(Think FF:CW and FF:EN as LS games and the FF fan games in RM2K as the legion saga fan games)
There are some fan games, which may be acceptable, for example Busterman Zero's. Even though it did not get much positive feedback I am confident that BMZ will try his hardest to improve upon his faults and make an acceptable game. People who's name I haven't even heard of before and say something like "Hi I'm making an LS fan game called 'Legion Saga The Newest Fan Game' and it's going to have a CoS type battle system I am a dork!! and a Custom Menu system I am a dork!! and a..." I get a feeling that the game will either: 1) Fail completely and never get completed because the user cannot create the systems that they promised or stick to the game. 2) Be completely crap.
Fortunatly about 1% of these fan games are likely to be finished.
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Post by pyschobunnyterminator on Aug 29, 2003 9:19:04 GMT -5
legion saga zenith demo seemed cool, lance is cool and is trying to be annoying to the baddies. can't wait for demo 2, whenever it shall be. ;D. Anyways, i'm looking out for legion saga zenith and zero, thats all i'm waiting for. And maybe LS Unlimited, or...wait...too many fan games, will they stop in time?
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Post by JohanKeilmer on Aug 29, 2003 10:11:53 GMT -5
To the Inquisitor -- Very good (and at the same time hilarious) point. I never really looked at the issue from that perspective. It's true how people will see LS fan games and consider them sucky, which in turn "MIGHT" have an effect on the main series. I doubt that the vast majority of RM2K game makers and players will look down upon the main series if they play one or two horrible games, I think we're all more mature than that. If would be somewhat hypocritical of someone to say... "Wow, the LS series is amazing, too bad Kamau won't be making any more games... Oh well, let me try this fan game..." *Plays it* "This game sucks! THE WHOLE DARN SERIES SUCKS! I HATE LS!"
Heh... Now don't get me wrong, I doubt anyone would think those exact words, but if anyone thought something even close to that, I'd consider them immature idiots. (God that makes me sound conceited, sorry about that... But I can't go against my own opinion.) My only problem with this is that after the game creators send in their demo, Kamau should judge wether or not he/she should continue with the game, but perhaps that would be a bit too harsh, Kamau IS a cool guy after all.
Also, about poor game creators, I can't disagree with what you've said there. I myself happen to be only an average creator... Maybe even less than that. That's why my game won't be too much different than Kamau's in terms of features. Of course, I will do a bit of editing to customaize the game, but basically, the area's upon which the game is based (All areas in LS2) are not much different that the original LS2. This will minimize any bad comments or ratings that I'll most likely get from people for creating a mediocre game. I'm putting more emphasis on the story rather than the game's features anyway, since I happen to be a pretty good writer, and hope that single aspect of the game will compensate for the lack of advanced features that most games have. Kamau seem interested anyway, I doubt that I'll disgrace him or the game.
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Post by Busterman Zero on Aug 29, 2003 10:39:09 GMT -5
You make good points there about "I think that it adds to the fact that making the game was worth while". This is true. It is also true that Kamau is the only person who should have a say in it. However, people are here MAINLY because they are fans of the LS series. The people making fan-games at the moment are people we hardly know or we do know that they are amateurs at making RM2K projects. You wound me. I may not be the most skilled, but not an amateur. I do agree that most, but not all, look either unimpressive or are total rips of other games. Also, about poor game creators, I can't disagree with what you've said there. I myself happen to be only an average creator... Maybe even less than that. That's why my game won't be too much different than Kamau's in terms of features. Of course, I will do a bit of editing to customaize the game, but basically, the area's upon which the game is based (All areas in LS2) are not much different that the original LS2. This will minimize any bad comments or ratings that I'll most likely get from people for creating a mediocre game. I'm putting more emphasis on the story rather than the game's features anyway, since I happen to be a pretty good writer, and hope that single aspect of the game will compensate for the lack of advanced features that most games have. Kamau seem interested anyway, I doubt that I'll disgrace him or the game. The main problem with that would be the people who say it's too much like LS2 and people who hated LS2.
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Post by JohanKeilmer on Aug 29, 2003 10:49:02 GMT -5
Hated LS2? Fine.... Too much like LS2? I'll take that as a compliment. It's "SUPPOSED" to be, it has the same setting as the original LS2 did. That's what I'd say to them anyway.
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Post by JohanKeilmer on Aug 29, 2003 10:50:07 GMT -5
Suppose* Sorry, figured I'd fix that since it stands out, lol.
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Post by Mr. E on Aug 29, 2003 10:52:57 GMT -5
Tisk tisk tisk... No double posting...
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Post by SickAndWretched on Aug 29, 2003 11:19:34 GMT -5
"Kamau should judge wether or not he/she should continue with the game, but perhaps that would be a bit too harsh, Kamau IS a cool guy after all."
I agree.. since there are so many, Kamau should pick the ones he likes. I know his is busy though. I'm not gonna start on my fan story series until he says its ok.. and if he does and say there's something he doesn't like, then I'll take that out.. y'know, since he is the creator then he has an the ultimate power over the series.. but I think thats pretty obvious...
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Post by Busterman Zero on Aug 29, 2003 16:02:48 GMT -5
Some of the ones I've seen here, on the site, and through people who are stupid and think I'm Kamau who email me, a select few look good. I've seen one with complete badly used RTP graphics and the person says it will be the greatest addition to the LS series. Please, weed out the lousy ones.
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Post by ObviousDelirium on Aug 29, 2003 16:30:54 GMT -5
Some of the ones I've seen here, on the site, and through people who are stupid and think I'm Kamau who email me, a select few look good. I've seen one with complete badly used RTP graphics and the person says it will be the greatest addition to the LS series. Please, weed out the lousy ones. There's really some who think you're Kamau...those guys need to check names and e-mails more often,I don't remind Kamau with the name Busterman Zero,plus,someone using RTPs badly said it would be the greatest addition to the serie?!
Kamau didn't want many fangames at first,he just changed mind,and yet,a lot try to make one,too much you can say,it will soon be considered just like FF fangames,if it's not already.
And BMZ,I don't think Inq was talking about you when he said amateur,well,that's what I think.
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Post by Ein on Aug 30, 2003 0:53:19 GMT -5
Ah well whatever then, may as well scrap my project and move on to other things then. No skin off my nose really. I just felt like giving back to the community since I had enjoyed the series, but it's pretty obvious now that the community doesn't want anything new, they just want LS from people who are "prominent" on the boards.
Besides it won't be that hard to remove all traces of Legion Saga from my game. Just need to change place names and such, ditch the genryu. *shrugs* Not like anyone cared really when I was working on it other then an offer for a beta test.
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Post by Busterman Zero on Aug 30, 2003 0:55:57 GMT -5
Ah well whatever then, may as well scrap my project and move on to other things then. No skin off my nose really. I just felt like giving back to the community since I had enjoyed the series, but it's pretty obvious now that the community doesn't want anything new, they just want LS from people who are "prominent" on the boards. Not true. Zhiel has like no experience (for what I know of him) and his game looks great. It's on my list. Of course, previous experience is always nice.
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Post by Ein on Aug 30, 2003 1:02:45 GMT -5
I haven't finished game since the RM95+ days, but not for lack of know how just lack of caring. Just working on a project alone with no real feedback for a long long time gets really dull. It's like I may as well just be doing hours and hours of tax returns. Staring at menus, making graphics, programing, trying to be smart and not have all the music and sounds ear piercingly loud and annoying like everyone else who makes an RM2k game.
I have a game sitting around in RM2k3 thats like half finished, but I'm the only one who gives a d**n about it so it's hard to find the insperation to finish it. I don't exactly want to play the games I make, because by the times I've finished an area I've played through it umpteen times and know every line of dialogue word for word.
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Post by SickAndWretched on Aug 30, 2003 1:20:45 GMT -5
Thats not true.. from what I've read about you're game, it sounded awesome.. and I would help out more, but I don't really like making midis for games anymore.. (though I have a bunch that you could use and there not all the loud.. though most of them a like NIN and Nirvana songs and you can find 'em on the web) I don't mind doing some custom gfx.. just nothing all that complex (until I get the power plug for my scanner, which might be tomorrow).. I mostly like doing CMS graphics, even numbers I don't mind. those are easy. And you mentioned something about Hand drawn stuff.. so I'll try to get my power chord thingy for the scanner I have ASAP. Contact me on AIM if you need anything..
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