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Post by Busterman Zero on Jun 15, 2003 20:15:24 GMT -5
Do you mean Legend of Dragoon? When did the K-man say this?
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Post by devilmaycare150 on Jun 15, 2003 22:29:24 GMT -5
..Heh heh, K-Man..I better remember that..that's the perfect way to get around that dumb filter.
..Yes, I meant Legend of Dragoon..
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Post by Kamau on Jun 16, 2003 15:03:08 GMT -5
The 'night before the final battle' scenes in v2 of LS3 reveal a little bit more about Taisu. I haven't really even planned his whole story myself but there are clues.
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Post by Elite Seminole on Jun 16, 2003 18:23:59 GMT -5
If the storyline of Haledos is different from LS, then nobody will even notice. Don't worry, man, stuff like that happens all the time.
What game are you playing? First of all, character development usually requires changes. It has nothing to do with revealing information except the information of what the character's true character is.
Let's look at Final Fantasy 7, a game with alot of characterization. Cloud goes from a care-free mercenary to a warm-hearted hero. It takes time to gradually reveal the true character of a character.
The past, personality, and feelings are just things that influence characterization.
Second of all, I'm not so sure even Kamau would agree with you that the first 3 LS games had alot of character development. You can ask any respected game reviewer and they know that games with large casts are definately lacking the character development department. And were you listening to me when I said that the character development will come in the games about all the characters like Sazaku and Taisu?
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Post by Busterman Zero on Jun 16, 2003 18:44:59 GMT -5
Okay, do you even take English in school? Character development doesn't require changes, you just need to learn a lot about the character. You know, see different sides of his personality and stuff...You know: Static, Dynamic, ROund and Flat characters?
I heard you the first time.
We know pretty much as much about Taisu as he himself does. Some other characters are a little less developped, but these characters are pretty developped, perhaps even more than some of the heroes from Suikoden... The ones from LS quite possibly had the least development but were still well done.
Examples:
Taisu - A mercenary swordsman from the Highlands. Uses the two-sword fighting style. May be willing to work for money but always works for a reason. He never kills for no reason, like he says when the Peregrin Knights try to draft him. He's quite because he doesn't see the need for pointless conversation. He does seem to have a warmer side to him as we learn when he talks with Kuti.
Pasz - One of those Jugodin guys who lives in that beast village in Meluvet. He's a brave warrior and a skilled thief. He has a girlfriend named Koko. He is proud member of his village and is more trusting to humans than most of his people.
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Post by Elite Seminole on Jun 16, 2003 19:13:41 GMT -5
Yes, I've been taking English Literature since 3rd grade, but everyone has different values and definitions for lit terms, you know.
Anyways, I didn't necessary mean changes. It means to just show the true character of a character, and you're right that it does just ulimately mean learning alot about the character. Static characters are pretty hard to develope, and the only thing you can do with them is tell about the influences they have or had.
And for the examples, I guess the reason we're having this debate is I basically missed everything about Taisu and Pasz.
I can't see how Taisu warmed up while talking to Kuti. All he says is that he needs answers to his questions. I didn't even know anything about Pasz except that he lives in Genryu with other elfs and has that conflict with Diablo.
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Post by Nam on Jun 16, 2003 21:14:02 GMT -5
Yea the Shotan and Black Knight thing went down pretty bad you know..
"You escaped that's why I've been hunting you for oh I dunno for 20 years."
"I'm going to kill you for no reason."
Shotan wounds Black Knight badly
"Oh your that guy that was some blah blah blah!!! DIE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT!"
Yea it was pretty bad..
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Post by Kamau on Jun 17, 2003 4:19:36 GMT -5
Heh, you both got it wrong. Pasz is a Genryu, not an elf, and Jugodin is the beast language.
I admit many characters had next to no development, but quite a few of them did and you may have missed it or forgotten them because there were so many characters. I'm quite fond of the relationship between Kazuki and Dolan. They have both lost their original loyalties, yet they keep fighting. However, Dolan fights for the same cause whilst Kazuki realizes she was wrong in her ways with the Amun'Rah clan.
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Post by Unknown Dude on Jun 17, 2003 8:04:30 GMT -5
Not to disturb you guy's in your cute little talk about character's personality and stuff , but isn't this a topic about your Fave Character? So... Can you guy's maybe make your own topic where you talk about this very interesting stuff. ;D
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Post by Arcon on Jun 17, 2003 9:23:50 GMT -5
Okay, do you even take English in school? Character development doesn't require changes, you just need to learn a lot about the character. You know, see different sides of his personality and stuff...You know: Static, Dynamic, ROund and Flat characters? Change actually plays a LARGE part of the development of characters. No PERSON stays the same when they've been struck with such monumental events or when having joined such an alliance. That very experience would alter them in some way. HOWEVER, you are right on the most point. The characters did change (hardly any of them, but some). The biggest change I have in mind would have been Fuba, if you study what he was before and after. Ridman changed from LS' beginning to its end, but not from LS1 to LS3 -AT ALL-. I really think he should not have been put in there at all because he's quite overused and we already knew everything about him. (Or Kamau could have revealed some more about him) Anyway, my favourite LS characters of all time was Fuba and Serth. 1) They are both Kobolds, and Kobolds rock. 2) Fuba made the best entrance into an LS video game ever (The Shecksu(sp?) incident ) 3) Serth had a cool fur color, a blue sword and he was just outright SWEET.
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Post by Elite Seminole on Jun 17, 2003 11:34:34 GMT -5
My argument is just that development is making the characters more realistic. You don't reveal past events about them through words, but through actions. You give evidences and clues for their true character.
Well, I guess LS had more development than I originally thought, since I completely missed alot of scenes and haven't played LS3 v.2 yet, so I admit I was wrong.
BTW, I think it was a good idea to have Ridman in all the games. LS needed some kind of central character, and plus he had to be the link to the past and stuff.
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Post by Kamau on Jun 17, 2003 12:25:45 GMT -5
Well if you think about it Ridman tends to take a back seat in LS3. I mean the Murasame is rightfully his but he acknowledges the fact that Kima is the Legion Master and so allows him to use it. He is not always acting like a leader and the dominant figure.
Also he becomes pretty distressed after losing his entire empire to the kobolds (perhaps I need to show more of this in v3). I'm sure he could have just made his own way to Tudar City and found Kima after he arrived in Higanasu but he didn't, he stayed in Koosta. In fact he didn't even stay IN Koosta, he hid around that region and came to the town at night to buy provisions from McGee. He was afraid that he would also lose his life. Not the same brave Ridman we saw in LS1 is it?
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Post by Elite Seminole on Jun 17, 2003 12:54:43 GMT -5
So, Ridman gets his courage back at the end of LS3, right?
BTW, you should give McGee a faceset in v.3, because he would be a good character to do a fan game on.
Anyways, Ridman seemed kinda angry all through LS1:
Meluvet Soldier: Nice day, isn't it, Master Durane? Ridman: Nice day .... to take your life! *enter battle mode*
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Post by MoonlightWarrior on Jun 17, 2003 14:17:07 GMT -5
In LS1, I didn't really have a favorite, but one of my favorites from LS2 came from LS1, so I'll use her. That's Nina. Her story was a lot more interesting in LS2.
In LS2, my favorite character was Serynia. She was one of the most developed characters between LS2 and LS3. The whole thing between her and Shotan could've been done better. How did they know each other?
In LS3, my favorites were tied. Kazuki and Letira. Kazuki was just an interesting character, and she seemed like one of the smartest characters. She must've been a good person if she tried to warn Vugen about the attacks, even though she'd been banished. Letira... I just liked her attitude, and her sense of devotion to the Beast Faction. The Beast Faction was cool, too! My final boss party was Kima, Letira, Ayato, and Rei!
"Meluvet Soldier: Nice day, isn't it, Master Durane? Ridman: Nice day .... to take your life! *enter battle mode*"
Hah... That's almost exactly how it happened, too!
Kamau, you're right about Ridman in LS3. I would've liked to have seen Ridman add something to the game in LS2 though, besides just getting to use him. I mean, is there a reason he came to Zerdio? He was just... there.
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Post by Kamau on Jun 17, 2003 18:14:24 GMT -5
McGee? Nah he's just a stepping stone to finding Ridman. Not important and not really an interesting character. You'll have to wait and see when I fully detail Shotan's entire life story. I agree partly, but not only was he an optional character, he was a super-secret optional character. He travelled to Zerdio for the sole purpose of helping the Liberation Army, it wasn't by chance. He heard that Nastra had become the 2nd Legion Master and decided to assist him.
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