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Post by NunoLac on Aug 15, 2003 13:10:50 GMT -5
Well let's start the Debate.
It's in the Books that the Portuguese Cristovão Colombo have discovered America. In that time he was working for Spain, so Spain got the Title of Discovering America.
But there is another opinion, The Vikings...but this one isn't registed in the books...so for me they don't count!
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Post by ObviousDelirium on Aug 15, 2003 13:21:02 GMT -5
The viking thing is in history books,any historien knows about that,they got to NewFoundLand(I think that's the english name,cause here it's Terre-Neuve). But if you really want to know who discovered America then you have to go long before that,a lot longer,you see,the first to discover it were in reality Asians,considering they were here long before Vikings. When Colombus arrived,he though he found the route to India,so he called them Indiens. You see,Asians arrived in prehistoric time.
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Post by NunoLac on Aug 15, 2003 14:01:37 GMT -5
Yes...it seems like The Egyptians already have been there in the time of Pharaohs...but there is no proof!
Anyway...we all know that it's to Cristovão that was given the Title of the founder of America!!! There is even a Movie about it!
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Post by Nuno on Aug 15, 2003 14:25:54 GMT -5
Go Cristovão go!
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Post by Busterman Zero on Aug 15, 2003 14:42:46 GMT -5
Except it's dead wrong. He got the credit, but guess where he actually went? THE CARRIBEAN! He landed in the West Indies. He probably discovered South America, but not North. Vikings, I think as early as 1088, landed in Canada, as far as historians know, they were the first, besides that intresting theory about the the native americans/first nations, to discover North America. Trust me, I also learned this. Either your teachings are biased or not up to date. Colombus was the first European in the Carribean (or that general area. Where are the West Indies again? Pretty sure he went by Jamaica and Madras too) as far as we know. He does deserve credit, but he's getting it for the wrong thing.
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Post by NunoLac on Aug 15, 2003 18:37:39 GMT -5
Well, Yeah...you are right BMZ...now i remember that i saw in a TV doc that Cristovão Colombo was given the title...but he only found the middle of America...like you've said...but it was theen that the Spanish started to take over from that land...Portugal only found Brazil...but let's not forget that Cristovão was Portuguese, but working for the Spanish...anyway...after that Spain and Portugal, they made a contract or something like that with Spain...because of the lands...of America...Portugal only stayed with brazil...but that was because they had already something...that made them make only the chose of Brazil...and that was ...Africa. If i'm not wrong that contract made a Division in tha world...a Vertical Divison of the world in two parts. The right one would be for Portugal and the Left one for Spain...something like that.
Well it's a really big mess, i really don't know this part very well. I was explaining this for some reason...let me see...oh yeah...that's why most of the Middle and suth America countries talk spanish...and about North America...in that time, England was big too, but they where kind of away from this...until they have got some info from spain and they got the North America. (This part i don't know very well either...but i still remember that it was something like this)
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Post by Busterman Zero on Aug 15, 2003 21:01:03 GMT -5
There you go. Now, in terms of who landed on Europe and began the big arrivals is a bit of a mystery, as the Vikings abandoned Vinland (now Newfoundland) and stuck with Greenland. I'm aware that Cartier lead an expedition down the St.-Laurent in the mid 1500s I believe, but someone probably landed before him, excluding the Vikings.
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Post by Forbidden on Aug 16, 2003 6:56:48 GMT -5
*Feels stupid*
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Post by Lankyrie on Aug 16, 2003 7:07:18 GMT -5
It was me. He he.
No, Vikings did it. No need to debate about that.
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Post by TranceRolin on Aug 16, 2003 10:45:22 GMT -5
There are also debates that a lesser-known emperor of China sent out trade ships in every direction to seek tributes from distant lands. They've found quite a few of those ships along the Western coastline of North America, all around Oceania, India, Africa, and a few other places.
Just a lesser-known fact. I really don't care for the subject but you can research it if ya care, I'm not sure who was around first though- The exact Chinese emperor, or the Vikings that sailed to Newfoundland.
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Post by Busterman Zero on Aug 16, 2003 11:29:46 GMT -5
It was me. He he. No, Vikings did it. No need to debate about that. I know, but the ones that actually landed and perminately settled is what I'm talking about. Cartier was the first in Canada in the mid 1500s or so, but someone must have come before him.
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Post by OldSkoolRPGer on Aug 16, 2003 13:32:46 GMT -5
Pre-Historic Asians were first. And there are several permanent Native American settlements all around North and South America that Pre-date any European arrival. Btw, I think the viking who discovered North America was Leif Ericsson(sp?).
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Post by Busterman Zero on Aug 16, 2003 15:26:05 GMT -5
Pre-Historic Asians were first. And there are several permanent Native American settlements all around North and South America that Pre-date any European arrival. Btw, I think the viking who discovered North America was Leif Ericsson(sp?). I'm talking about Europeans that settled, not the native americans. We all know that. Yeah, Ericsson was the guy. He was the son of Eric the Red.
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Post by NunoLac on Aug 16, 2003 16:51:08 GMT -5
Well, i really don't that now... i know that it was an English guy that explored the North America...but not sure... Anyway...There is proves about the presence of the Egyptians in the American Territory...the Maya Temples...they have the same base from the Pharaoh Pyramids...it was made an Study and it's proved that it was based in the Egyptians Pyramids...
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Post by TranceRolin on Aug 16, 2003 17:32:35 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!
Please, no more, this is getting too funny!
Come on. Mayan temples were more similar to the ziggurats of Mesopotamia than the pyramids of ancient Egypt.
It's a basic structure. That's saying that no civilization can make anything without taking it from a preceding civilization, in which case, NOTHING WOULD EXIST.
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