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Post by Phantom Janus on Jun 23, 2003 11:47:40 GMT -5
The basic American right of free speech needs to be terminated when it reaches a certain point... And this my friend, has reached that point. Too true. This can be supported. It says somewhere that the freedom of speech rights are disallowed when one's "free words" are most likely to cause violence.
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Post by Chickensoupcheese on Jun 23, 2003 11:50:24 GMT -5
They should at least hide the fact that they are weird... ..and so by that ruling, so should some other group with a physical or mental disability? Homosexuals cannot help who they are, and cannot change it. You've got to remember, too, that not all homosexuals accept who they are, and they do hide it. Of course, you wouldn't know about them . This topic shouldn't really have been revived in the first place: all it's doing really is offending both sides of the argument, the original premise being an outrageously irrational take on the situation. If we can have a decent argument, then okay, but otherwise it's clicky-clicky-locky-locky. I myself find the Christian premise of "Love thy neighbour unless he or she is gay, then you are allowed to discriminate" a tad unsettling, but that's my own opinion; I have to respect one's decision, regardless of my own standpoint.
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Meow
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Post by Meow on Jun 24, 2003 6:42:08 GMT -5
How does one define homosexual? When do you stop being straight?
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Post by Shiguru Wazzat on Jun 24, 2003 11:11:33 GMT -5
Homosexuality is when a person is a sexually attracted to a member of the same sex. Bi-sexuality is when a person is sexually attracted to members of both sexes. I think we know what being straight is Meow, you don't just stop begin straight one day and think 'Oh gosh, I think I'm a big raging homo.' If you find yourself more attracted to men/women than women/men, then that's probably the easiest and/or most common way of discovering that you're gay. Not all people are born that way, though. I knew someone who was supposedly straight, but just decided that all girls were ugly and went out with boys instead. Also, for anyone who is a catholic and reads the bible, can they give me a section from the bible (such as John 3:16) which actually says what God thinks about homosexuality, or where it says homosexuality is a sin. I should probably change the thread title.. this is becoming more of a debate on homosexuality than it is on the website. Edit: Geez... this made me sick... this link is definatly not suitable for children. Read it if you will, but you may find parts of this story... disturbing. I'm only posting this to show about how this website really does have some horrible things on it. Warning only click this if you think you really want to. I don't advise it if you are squeamish. It really is quite horrific. www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29026Edit#2: I added some warnings...
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Post by The Jacket on Jun 24, 2003 12:48:58 GMT -5
I saw the heading of that article and there's no way I can read something like that. People like that are sick.
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Post by Kuja on Jun 24, 2003 14:01:48 GMT -5
That article is the most sick and bisturbing thing I have ever read. Id advise everyone else not to click on it.
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Post by celticshiva on Jun 30, 2003 2:47:28 GMT -5
Yes, God did destroy Sodom and Gomora, but the reason is that it got so bad (worse than what we have now), that God had to destroy them to protect those that were still moral and civilized. Actually this is a scripture that Iknow VERY well and you have it completely wrong. He didn't destroy it to save the riteous people. He said that (and I'm paraphrasing, my bible's buried in a box somewhere) "If I do not find 50 riteous people in this city, then I'm burning it to the ground" lot said that wasn't fair .. so he lowered it to 10 and so on down the line. At the end, god agreed that if he found even one riteous person, he would not burn the city to the ground. In the end, Lot was the only riteous person in the city, so the city was burned. (yes, lot was the ONLY riteous person, what happened after that shows his daughters were also very corrupt.. they got lot drunk and slept with him to produce chidlren.) In short, there was no one moral or civilized in that city to be protected from the corruption (only Lot). I'm going to speak up in support of this point. I am homosexual, do you think that I would CHOOSE to be one of the most hated and feared minority groups, to suffer ridicule and torment? That's outright rediculous. I have tried to change when I started attending a christian church. After being in the church for about a year I did tell the pastor that I was gay. At the time I was not 'practicing', not dating nor having sex at all, I was stripped of all responcibility within the church. I prayed EVERY night and worked very hard to overcome my usual inclinations, but to no avail. The church even paid for psychological therapy. During this period I wound up having a crush on one of the other male members of the congregation (which I told nobody about) which was very real. It wasn't just physical attraction, I would honestly say I loved this man. In fact I still do, many years later. It was then I realised that the feelings I have are more than just about sexual intercourse. Of course, when the pastor say what I wasn't dating any of the girls, I got disassociated from that congregation, and have not regretted it, I have since re-discovered my roots in druidism, which is a path more suited to my needs and talents. Believe what you will, but it is not by choice that I am gay, however that does not mean that I am ashamed of it anymore. I do not disagree that it may not be 'born with' but may be conditional based on environment, but that 'conditioning' is imbedded enough that it can no longer be changed.
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Post by Nuno on Jun 30, 2003 6:09:52 GMT -5
I'm going to speak up in support of this point. I am homosexual, do you think that I would CHOOSE to be one of the most hated and feared minority groups, to suffer ridicule and torment? That's outright rediculous. Told you guys, being homosexual is not an option, you born with it... Its a celule on your brain that tells you wether or not you are gay.
Just wanted to point one thing... the homosexuals are no longer a minority of groups, I in my life, wich was short have met LOTS of homos... even in the Town, you are not the only one. So I can say that in the next years, the homosexuality will beat the preconcepts like the racism did a few years ago...
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Post by celticshiva on Jun 30, 2003 12:20:39 GMT -5
Told you guys, being homosexual is not an option, you born with it... Its a celule on your brain that tells you wether or not you are gay. Like I said, I don't know if there's a gene or anything in the brain that causes it.. and I don't care wether it is or not. It could well be based on situational conditioning. (my therapist was convinced I was gay because I grew up in a single parent home and my mom had no qualms walking around naked while I was around.. I think that's bull but you never know...)
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Post by Nuno on Jun 30, 2003 13:29:23 GMT -5
Your therapist theory sounds gay...
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Post by zumbum - The Screen Monster on Jun 30, 2003 13:41:02 GMT -5
Holy God, this is sick... *stares at website* Enough, why? That is just plain absurd, how dare they! That is a mockery against all things holy! And I'm not a holy man!
Honestly, I couldn't care less with homosexuals, it pisses me off when other people to refer to them as "f*gs, and "thingys". It's their choice, and Hell, I'm bordering upon it myself....
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Post by theblakeman on Jun 30, 2003 22:18:08 GMT -5
I don't think this site should be banned. While I don't agree with anything on God Hates f*gs, the internet is an open area that is more controllable, and at the same time more uncontrollable than the real world. For example, you can choose not to go to child pornography sites, but you cannot shut them down as easily as if they were something similar, like brothels, in real life. Filth exists freely on the internet, and this site is not nearly as bad as some other things out there, so there is no reason it should be shut down. The reason I say the internet is more controllable is you can shut off your computer is something pisses you off, whereas in real life you might not be able to escape the opinions of others as easily as closing a browser page. Even if the site is shut down, people who agree and support the site will still have the same opinions and views as they would if the site were still up. Basically, online, you can say whatever opinion you want, and they shouldn't stop people for saying them. You can just NOT GO TO THEM. To dislike this site is one thing, but to try to shut it down is a pathetic waste of time. About my opinions of homosexuality, I don't really care. As long as you don't bother me, I really don't give a d**n what you do. Blake only looks out for Blake. EDIT: Also, I believe that freedom of speech should not be allowed when what you say or do offends others. However, you can much more freely not see someone's opinion online than seeing a sign or hearing someone shouting on the street in real life.
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Post by Nuno on Jul 1, 2003 7:34:22 GMT -5
Liar. If you say freedom of speech is good and such, why would you ban me if I call you names? ore stuf..?
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Post by The Jacket on Jul 1, 2003 8:45:10 GMT -5
Because he said that he thinks Freedom of Speech stops when it offends others.
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Post by Nuno on Jul 1, 2003 9:22:39 GMT -5
There is my point! Im gay (just an example), they say that gay suck, so they are offending me. Final point.
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