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Post by The Omen on Jul 2, 2004 0:50:48 GMT -5
If you haven't heard of this documentery that just came out it is definitely the biggest must-see film of the year. This documentery examines Bush and his war on Iraq, and some of the things that it shows you are amazing. Bush has done so many bad things that I had never heard of before... It is truly stunning.
If you really want to know the truth about the war and about Bush, this is a movie to see.
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Post by The Jacket on Jul 2, 2004 0:53:57 GMT -5
Because a movie that tells the opinion of Michael Moore is truth.
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Post by BlackMage on Jul 2, 2004 0:57:06 GMT -5
I think what my friend from another forum said is pretty good:
I think I can sum Faranheit 9/11 up in one paragraph;
At a key scene in the movie, Micheal Moore states that Saddam and his forces never actively attacked any Americans. Let that sink in for a second.....sinking...sinking....okay, now remember the Iraqi funded suicide bombings that killed Americans in Israel? Remember the American hostages taken during the Clinton administration? Remember the Iraqi soldiers who took potshots at American planes on a daily basis during recon missions? Remember the failed assassination attempt on Former President Bush Sr.? Twisting the truth and working on uncomfirmed sources is one thing, and pretty much everyone in politics is guilty of it at one time or another, but saying that Saddam never actively attacked Americans is a flagrant lie without a scrap of truth in it. Why should I put stock in a single thing that comes out of his mouth if he's willing to unapologetically lie to the people who pay money to see his misleading propagandist dreck?
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Post by Zatham on Jul 2, 2004 1:06:19 GMT -5
One thing I didn't like about "Bowling for Columbine" was the fact that Moore pinpointed the exaggeration of fear-inducing circumstances in the media as the root of crime in America and yet, quite hypocritically, he ended up doing the same thing. You probably heard about the exposition that portrayed some of the exaggerations that were in the film itself, such as near the beginning when Moore joined a bank and "walked out with a gun" whereas, in reality, the gun wasn't issued to him until a few weeks later (granted, it's still a stupid policy). Amplifications like that make Moore to be a kind of hypocrite, which puts me off of Fahrenheit 9/11. I mean... how much of it can you believe??
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Post by theblakeman on Jul 2, 2004 1:45:23 GMT -5
Moore is a fat blowhard liberal and is just as bad as that fat piece of nuts Rush Limbaugh. ;D
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Post by Busterman Zero on Jul 2, 2004 22:36:35 GMT -5
Remember, there isn't a huge difference between a liberal and convservative anymore.
While there was probably a bit of truth, like the paragraph BM posted, there were a few errors/mistakes/lies/whatevers. use your brain to figure out what's right and what's not. Don't let that clear error throw you off this movie. It has some stuff you should think about.
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Post by Zatham on Jul 2, 2004 22:45:32 GMT -5
Remember, there isn't a huge difference between a liberal and convservative anymore. ^ tru dat Yeah I still want to see it... but it's annoying to have people follow a (possibly misleading) movie like that religiously just because it's different.
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Post by The Jacket on Jul 2, 2004 23:04:50 GMT -5
Remember, there isn't a huge difference between a liberal and convservative anymore. O RLY No doubt. The people I hate are: A) Those who insist that Moore is totally wrong because he is a liberal who voices his opinion in a strong way., B) Those who think that this movie exposes the "truth" and that it should be proof as to why Bush should not get another term.
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Post by Magi on Jul 3, 2004 3:51:19 GMT -5
It's over-hyped political propeganda in the form of a movie. Plus Michael Moore is a jerk-off, and that's all the prosecution I need. It doesn't matter what his opinions are and I could care less about his own views, especially the ones he had supposedly stretched. In any case I don't care if anybody sees the movie or not. I just don't plan on buying into this propeganda.
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Post by TranceRolin on Jul 3, 2004 12:02:36 GMT -5
I just don't plan on buying into this propeganda. I hope you also only listen to Bush's speeches for comedic value. Reporter: "Sir, what mistakes do you believe that you have made in this administration term?" Bush: "I wish that you would've given me this question ahead of time (like all of the other reporters that he actually let answer questions) . Well, there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and gays are trying to get married- There are bigger problems at hand . . . "
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Post by Magi on Jul 4, 2004 2:19:27 GMT -5
I hope you also only listen to Bush's speeches for comedic value. Reporter: "Sir, what mistakes do you believe that you have made in this administration term?" Bush: "I wish that you would've given me this question ahead of time (like all of the other reporters that he actually let answer questions) . Well, there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and gays are trying to get married- There are bigger problems at hand . . . " I don't give a d**n about either. Politicians and political analysts bicker and whine and complain all the same. It's the most bitter and petty thing you'll see.
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Post by thegrandpenguin on Jul 5, 2004 14:39:03 GMT -5
The whole thing was a joke in my opinion. There were so many blantant shots at Bush that it was hard to take the movie seriously, especially during those scenes were they would show footage from war torn towns, war footage, etc. Then they would cue to a shot of Bush playing golf, or reading a book. It's as if they were implying that he was ignoring all this. I'm not exactly a fan of Bush my self, but I'm not a fan of politics either.
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Post by devilmaycare150 on Jul 7, 2004 16:45:26 GMT -5
..I didn't understand the irony of seeing the movie as the first one with my dad after he came back from Iraq until a fair bit later.
As BMZ said, there's a major problem with people not understanding that information is very seldom brought out in it's purest form when it attains to something of something to this nature..the nature of politics I mean of course. I remember reading a review of it, in the paper, it was basically asking about how Micheal Moore made those "Who cares?" statements, there's some events that he twists a certain way, perhaps not always on purpose but I know at least sometimes it was into mirroring off what he wants it to seem like. So President Bush played some golf sometimes, so what? Micheal Moore basically turns all of that into Bush seeming incredibly irresponisble, and I'm not saying he isn't, I'm a bit two-sided on the issue of the war, and I realize some of the issues he was tackling were perhaps truth, it's his look on the country and Bush and his perspective on how the war is truly supposed to be...which is of course oil to most folks who oppose it.
The Jacket pointed out something, but didn't exactly capitalize on it since he just let it become a sarcastic remark, a fairly funny one at that. It's the fact that, nobody should take the whole of this movie as truth, that's the downfall of many a great person, or nation I suppose it could. It can cause an uproar of confusion, disaster in some cases when people take something completley as truth from a person. I had to say from a person because the Bible's a different story.
The worst thing that could happen is, people come out of the theater being transformed into Bush-haters. This year, you adults get to choose between a hypocrite and a liar for president, for once I'm almost glad I can't vote at this age, but it seems like a lose-lose proposition. Micheal Moore ends the movie on the note of things being better with Bush out of office but, notice, he never brings up Kerry, whether he could be any better. Come on people, hating Bush..because of a movie isn't exactly easy to understand to me, as I hear often from reviews, it's the way the movie was brought together that makes it so great. Whether it's true or not, Micheal Moore is a good director, but that doesn't exactly mean he's right. I think he made a big deal out of somethings, a bit too much of a conspiracy theory..although the media part of it, and how it can influence us all does shine new light on something I never thought of, or entirely noticed but just sort of dropped.
It's particulary haunting...do you think the media really could do such a thing and string the soceity we live in like a puppet for others to use?
..Nah.
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Post by devilmaycare150 on Jul 7, 2004 16:46:36 GMT -5
..I didn't understand the irony of seeing the movie as the first one with my dad after he came back from Iraq until a fair bit later.
As BMZ said, there's a major problem with people not understanding that information is very seldom brought out in it's purest form when it attains to something of something to this nature..the nature of politics I mean of course. I remember reading a review of it, in the paper, it was basically asking about how Micheal Moore made those "Who cares?" statements, there's some events that he twists a certain way, perhaps not always on purpose but I know at least sometimes it was into mirroring off what he wants it to seem like. So President Bush played some golf sometimes, so what? Micheal Moore basically turns all of that into Bush seeming incredibly irresponisble, and I'm not saying he isn't, I'm a bit two-sided on the issue of the war, and I realize some of the issues he was tackling were perhaps truth, it's his look on the country and Bush and his perspective on how the war is truly supposed to be...which is of course oil to most folks who oppose it.
The Jacket pointed out something, but didn't exactly capitalize on it since he just let it become a sarcastic remark, a fairly funny one at that. It's the fact that, nobody should take the whole of this movie as truth, that's the downfall of many a great person, or nation I suppose it could. It can cause an uproar of confusion, disaster in some cases when people take something completley as truth from a person. I had to say from a person because the Bible's a different story.
The worst thing that could happen is, people come out of the theater being transformed into Bush-haters. This year, you adults get to choose between a hypocrite and a liar for president, for once I'm almost glad I can't vote at this age, but it seems like a lose-lose proposition. Micheal Moore ends the movie on the note of things being better with Bush out of office but, notice, he never brings up Kerry, whether he could be any better. Come on people, hating Bush..because of a movie isn't exactly easy to understand to me, as I hear often from reviews, it's the way the movie was brought together that makes it so great. Whether it's true or not, Micheal Moore is a good director, but that doesn't exactly mean he's right. I think he made a big deal out of somethings, a bit too much of a conspiracy theory..although the media part of it, and how it can influence us all does shine new light on something I never thought of, or entirely noticed but just sort of dropped.
It's particulary haunting...do you think the media really could do such a thing and string the soceity we live in like a puppet for others to use?
..Nah.
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Post by Smaug on Jul 7, 2004 23:10:01 GMT -5
I just came back from that movie. Unbeleivable. Astounding. Excellent. Go to it. NOW!!!
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