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Post by devilmaycare150 on Aug 23, 2003 16:36:28 GMT -5
..Hiya, just got my internet working again, thought I'd make a new topic to answer one of the LS series' more unanswered questions..that for some reason I've never seen anyone else ask.
I finally decided to blow the plot hole wide open after reading ACB's fan fic. about Cid. To see if..well, if it really is a plot hole..
In LS2, Barbatta kills Argane, so Nastra won't be able too and hopefully, make certain the prophecy doesn't come too pass. My question is, how does that affect anything? Who CARES who kills Argane, wouldn't it make more since to protect him? Death is Death, whether one's life is claimed from a lowly stray's sword, or one made from the finest of all metals matters not...am I right..?
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Post by Ultrablade on Aug 23, 2003 16:41:09 GMT -5
..Hiya, just got my internet working again, thought I'd make a new topic to answer one of the LS series' more unanswered questions..that for some reason I've never seen anyone else ask. I finally decided to blow the plot hole wide open after reading ACB's fan fic. about Cid. To see if..well, if it really is a plot hole.. In LS2, Barbatta kills Argane, so Nastra won't be able too and hopefully, make certain the prophecy doesn't come too pass. My question is, how does that affect anything? Who CARES who kills Argane, wouldn't it make more since to protect him? Death is Death, whether one's life is claimed from a lowly stray's sword, or one made from the finest of all metals matters not...am I right..? uh..... i think that "Rautzen" cared....  ! [i also have a question..... why did sazaku come at the end of the game "Legion Saga 2"  ] |
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Post by devilmaycare150 on Aug 23, 2003 16:56:29 GMT -5
uh..... i think that "Rautzen" cared.... [i also have a question..... why did sazaku come at the end of the game "Legion Saga 2" ..What ARE you talking about? Rautzen has nothing to do with the question at hand, Nastra's hand in Rautzen's death had already been dealt with before Argane's untimely end. And I never meant anyone's sympathetic reaction to Argane's death, but how him being killed by someone else could affect the prophecy of the legions.. Also, Sazaku came at the end because HE was hired to kill Argane, and rather reluctancly, after realzing his fear of heights was a great hindrance to him (don't even get me started on how hired killers can have phobia's went with Nastra to do the deed. He had no other reason to meet up with the party, or stay with them until they went after someone he himself was going after; he's an assasin for god's sake! Why ELSE would he join the party unless they had the same interest's at the moment..? On a side note, please give me an answer on the subject that the topic was based on and not ask such questions like the one I answered above.. |
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Post by Ultrablade on Aug 23, 2003 17:14:48 GMT -5
..What ARE you talking about? Rautzen has nothing to do with the question at hand, Nastra's hand in Rautzen's death had already been dealt with before Argane's untimely end. And I never meant anyone's sympathetic reaction to Argane's death, but how him being killed by someone else could affect the prophecy of the legions.. Also, Sazaku came at the end because HE was hired to kill Argane, and rather reluctancly, after realzing his fear of heights was a great hindrance to him (don't even get me started on how hired killers can have phobia's ::)0 went with Nastra to do the deed. He had no other reason to meet up with the party, or stay with them until they went after someone he himself was going after; he's an assasin for god's sake! Why ELSE would he join the party unless they had the same interest's at the moment..? On a side note, please give me an answer on the subject that the topic was based on and not ask such questions like the one I answered above.. , I see. Sorry  ! |
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Post by Ein on Aug 23, 2003 17:43:38 GMT -5
I thought Barbatta's goal was to kill Nastra to end the prophecy, Argane was just in the way. He got killed cause Barbatta whacked him aside... with the sharp edge of a sword.
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Post by Zatham on Aug 23, 2003 18:11:44 GMT -5
That's the impression I got!
But yeah hopefully there's a bigger.... thing..... behind it.
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Post by devilmaycare150 on Aug 23, 2003 18:18:33 GMT -5
..No..Barbatta even said that now that he had kileld Argane, the prophecy would not be fulfilled..
But what you said brings up another point; why didn't Barbatta just go ahead and try to slash off Nastra's head instead and end the prophecy right then and there..? It makes a whole lot more sense..than just hoping that killing the guy who the hero was going to kill would stop the prophecy.
Guess hibernating for all those years must have scattered Barbatta's brains a bit..
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Post by Ein on Aug 23, 2003 22:09:43 GMT -5
Because there wouldn't have been much of a last battle if Barbatta just lopped off Nastra's head? I dunno, LS isn't so much about plot as it is atmosophere. I'm still not fully sure why Fuba kills himself... I'm guessing it's because he was cripplingly lonely? I dunno, I had everyone I could up to that point and he still killed himself anyway. I just ignore that kinda stuff, it's for the best not to think about things too much.
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Post by Thores on Aug 23, 2003 22:35:17 GMT -5
Because there wouldn't have been much of a last battle if Barbatta just lopped off Nastra's head? I dunno, LS isn't so much about plot as it is atmosophere. I'm still not fully sure why Fuba kills himself... I'm guessing it's because he was cripplingly lonely? I dunno, I had everyone I could up to that point and he still killed himself anyway. I just ignore that kinda stuff, it's for the best not to think about things too much. *SPOILERS AHEAD* Huh? That's wierd. If you had every character (or at least 37 of them), Fuba would stay in your party instead of killing himself. I've done this myself, so I know it can happen. Unless there's yet another glitch in the game? I know that if you revive Eva in LS1 and transfer the game file, you still get friggin Greibis. But I got every character and Fuba didn't die, so maybe you didn't get them all, missed maybe one or two persons...? *END SPOILERS* |
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Post by Ein on Aug 23, 2003 22:45:32 GMT -5
Not really on topic, but it's my fault sorry. And as for Fuba killinghimself anyway I think it might be because I waited too long to reqruit that 37th character. Or something I dunno, I gotta reply it anyway cause my old save games are on a computer I don't use anymore.
So... uh... Barbata he's uh... He's like a mean weeny eh? I dunno, not much else to say on this topic with out an "official ruling" I think the Reason Argane is just killed like that cause Kamau didn't feel like making another set of duel graphics? I just don't think that fight would have been very meaningfull if it were fought 4 on 1.
Besides, if you were a slumbering embodyment of death wouldn't you wana make your message known in a bloody rain of death? It's attention grabbing, and LS2 is just a freaking bloody game.
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Post by The~Inquisitor on Aug 24, 2003 23:11:55 GMT -5
Barbatta is a weeny...Barbatta and the Legion Sword is like Elric and Stormbringer (His sword). The sword makes him d**n strong but also makes him evil.
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Post by ObviousDelirium on Aug 24, 2003 23:31:52 GMT -5
*SPOILERS AHEAD* Huh? That's wierd. If you had every character (or at least 37 of them), Fuba would stay in your party instead of killing himself. I've done this myself, so I know it can happen. Unless there's yet another glitch in the game? I know that if you revive Eva in LS1 and transfer the game file, you still get friggin Greibis. But I got every character and Fuba didn't die, so maybe you didn't get them all, missed maybe one or two persons...? *END SPOILERS*
As for the prophecy thing...
SPOILERS:
Barbatta killed Argane and then he said that he won't allow the prophecy to happen,his goal was to kill Nastra,he just killed Argane cause he was in the way.Argane's death had no effect on the prophecy.And even if he killed Nastra first,he would still have to kill Argane.
END OF SPOILERS.
And Inq,the sword thing was used in many games,I'm not talking about rm2k games,I'm talking about commercial games,also,almost every ideas were already used for videogames,you can't expect something completely original. |
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Post by Kamau on Aug 25, 2003 5:29:53 GMT -5
The prophecy stated that the archetype 'villain' of the battle must be slain by the Legion Master, so when Barbatta killed Argane it meant Nastra couldn't fulfill the prophecy. Whether this ultimately effected the final result of the prophecy depends on which ending you got in LS3.  |
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Post by ReulAsisith on Aug 25, 2003 7:35:51 GMT -5
I'm sure CoS will clear any confusion about how Sazuka joint 'em  . |
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Post by Kamau on Aug 25, 2003 10:12:37 GMT -5
Well Sazaku really doesn't have anything to do with this discussion other than he appears just before that scene, but yes, CoS will explain everything.
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