Post by SleepyTemplar on Jul 12, 2003 2:28:45 GMT -5
And so another begins. A welcome coincidence, since my interest in debates have been re-newed.
Sifting through your highly emotional rhetoric, you're basically asking the question of how (what most people consider) an all-good God can exist while suffering does. While many theistic responses do exist (i.e. free will defense, soul-building, etc.), I find them inadequate for several reasons (though I personally rely upon a deductive argument from gratuitous suffering than the standard problem of evil). However, your rhetoric does not mean there is no God- an evil God could very well exist.
It shows. Please keep such outbursts to a minimum, and try to discuss things in a rational manner. Emotionalism has no part in a debate.
Perhaps you might elaborate on how you achieved 100% certainty to outright claim such doesn't exist? While there *IS* a way to make such a claim indirectly, your presentation suggests you are unaware of it, and that your statement is more in the realm of emotionalism.
While the "God of the Gaps" explanation of miracles does have merit, it does not mean miracles cannot exist.
And of course religions are there for moral instruction. You're better off steering things into a question of religion and morality to get a better discussion going.
I wasn't aware swearing was an immoral action.
You could have just said what type of materialist you were.
Could you provide evidence to support this claim of certainty that souls do not exist? While the evidence favors a materialist account for the mind-body debate, it is by no means complete, and does not entail the certainty you appear to boast.
Unless this entire post is one big joke (in which case we'll be discussing the purpose of this section of the forum), you come across as a fellow just as arrogant and dogmatic as the standard theist. Opinion does not equal truth- if you claim strong atheism, you must support your position with evidence and arguments (since strong atheism, unlike weak atheism, makes a positive claim). If you continue to make unsupported assertions and appeal to the emotions, you'll find most will disregard your statements here. So, please, try to present some arguments for your position.
That all said, I am an atheist (weak with strong tendencies). Are you familiar with the various philosophical arguments for God, by any chance?
If it (I am saying "it" because you wouldn't know the gender) existed, why wouldn't it help solve everyone's problems? Why wouldn't it make our lives happier? Do you think if we had a "God", would you want a sick one, who watches the world kill each other and start wars? And where the hell would "God" be located at? Up in the f**kin' clouds?
Sifting through your highly emotional rhetoric, you're basically asking the question of how (what most people consider) an all-good God can exist while suffering does. While many theistic responses do exist (i.e. free will defense, soul-building, etc.), I find them inadequate for several reasons (though I personally rely upon a deductive argument from gratuitous suffering than the standard problem of evil). However, your rhetoric does not mean there is no God- an evil God could very well exist.
Sorry. Overreacted. I just don't like religion much.
It shows. Please keep such outbursts to a minimum, and try to discuss things in a rational manner. Emotionalism has no part in a debate.
Angels and Demons cannot exist, and neither can Satan, or "The Devil". None of this exists.
Perhaps you might elaborate on how you achieved 100% certainty to outright claim such doesn't exist? While there *IS* a way to make such a claim indirectly, your presentation suggests you are unaware of it, and that your statement is more in the realm of emotionalism.
This was created because people believed that whenever a miracle occured, it was a higher force's doing. And it was so people could understand that and have something to believe in. And it's also to keep people from "sinning".
While the "God of the Gaps" explanation of miracles does have merit, it does not mean miracles cannot exist.
And of course religions are there for moral instruction. You're better off steering things into a question of religion and morality to get a better discussion going.
Mostly everything is sinning, from cursing to massively killing people.
I wasn't aware swearing was an immoral action.
When we die, we are set underground in a coffin, where we eventually decompose, and that we have no souls that go to Heaven or Hell.
You could have just said what type of materialist you were.
Souls don't exist, either.
Could you provide evidence to support this claim of certainty that souls do not exist? While the evidence favors a materialist account for the mind-body debate, it is by no means complete, and does not entail the certainty you appear to boast.
I hope you read this and understood that I am not a religion-hater, I just try to get people to understand the truth.
Unless this entire post is one big joke (in which case we'll be discussing the purpose of this section of the forum), you come across as a fellow just as arrogant and dogmatic as the standard theist. Opinion does not equal truth- if you claim strong atheism, you must support your position with evidence and arguments (since strong atheism, unlike weak atheism, makes a positive claim). If you continue to make unsupported assertions and appeal to the emotions, you'll find most will disregard your statements here. So, please, try to present some arguments for your position.
That all said, I am an atheist (weak with strong tendencies). Are you familiar with the various philosophical arguments for God, by any chance?